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Friendsgiving's Enduring Success Through Culinary Innovation and Inclusivity

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TL;DR

  • The deceptive nature of progress bar "time remaining" indicators, which often do not represent actual time due to variable processing rates, erodes user trust and suggests a need for more honest feedback mechanisms like spinning wheels or percentage completion.
  • The cultural adoption of "Friendsgiving" as a recognized holiday term, despite its independent development by the podcast hosts, highlights how novel concepts can emerge and gain widespread recognition over time.
  • Deep-frying turkeys, a popular Thanksgiving tradition, requires approximately 4.5 gallons of oil, and the packaging of oil in 3-gallon jugs creates an inconvenient surplus, suggesting a deliberate market strategy to encourage multiple purchases.
  • The "Coney Chonga," a deep-fried hot dog wrapped in a tortilla with chili and cheese, represents a culinary innovation that transforms disparate ingredients into a uniquely appealing dish, even for those who dislike individual components.
  • The internet's ability to crowdsource and disseminate optimal food preparation techniques, such as charring vegetables to offset bitterness and achieve the Maillard effect, significantly enhances culinary outcomes beyond traditional, limited methods.
  • The "Shotski," a ski with shot glasses glued to it for simultaneous drinking, exemplifies a creative, albeit potentially messy, social invention that can be independently conceived by different groups.

Deep Dive

The enduring success of "Friendsgiving" as a 24-year-old tradition highlights how curated rituals, particularly those involving shared culinary innovation like deep-fried turkeys and the "Coney Chonga," foster a sense of chosen family and consistent community in a changing world. This tradition's longevity and evolution demonstrate the power of established, yet adaptable, social gatherings to create lasting bonds, even as the commercialization of "Friendsgiving" as a holiday concept begins to overshadow its origins.

The core of the Friendsgiving tradition lies in its deliberate creation of an inclusive community, initially managed through a highly selective "Jedi Council" that determined attendance for up to 80 guests. This exclusivity has since evolved into a more fluid, text-message-driven coordination, underscoring a shift from rigid gatekeeping to decentralized participation. This evolution has also spurred culinary innovation, most notably the "Coney Chonga"--a deep-fried hot dog wrapped in a tortilla with chili and cheese. This invention, initially a hard sell for those not fond of chili, has become a centerpiece, even leading to a gluten-free adaptation that broadens inclusivity. Similarly, the tradition has embraced vegan options, such as buffalo chicken cauliflower bites, demonstrating a commitment to accommodating diverse dietary needs within the group. The ongoing experimentation with deep-frying various foods, from Snickers bars to spiral ham, showcases a playful willingness to push culinary boundaries, reinforcing the communal spirit of shared discovery and enjoyment.

The Friendsgiving tradition, while rooted in personal connection, also reflects broader cultural trends, such as the increasing commercialization of holidays and the growing awareness of dietary inclusivity. The availability of "Friendsgiving" merchandise at retailers like TJ Maxx illustrates how a once-niche concept can become commodified, while the development of gluten-free and vegan adaptations of signature dishes underscores a societal shift towards more accommodating social practices. The narrative suggests that the success of such traditions lies not just in the novelty of their innovations, but in their capacity to adapt and retain a sense of shared identity and belonging for an expanding circle of participants.

Action Items

  • Audit progress bar implementations: Identify 3-5 applications with misleading time remaining indicators and document their specific failure modes.
  • Create runbook template: Define 5 required sections (setup, common failures, rollback, monitoring) for deep-frying processes to prevent knowledge silos.
  • Track oil usage and waste: For 3-5 deep-frying events, measure initial oil volume, post-fry volume, and document disposal methods to optimize reuse.
  • Design standardized oil jug: Propose a 4.5-gallon food-grade jug with a secure, reusable seal for efficient fryer oil storage and recycling.
  • Evaluate gluten-free tortilla performance: Test 2-3 gluten-free tortilla options for coney chonga preparation to ensure structural integrity and taste.

Key Quotes

"and i think the hot take here is if if it's not a constant rate then it doesn't mean anything right you might as well do the mac thing and just have a spinny the spinning wheel at least is honest it tells you something's happening something's happening and i would even accept percent complete right because while you might be tempted to make that a function of time some aspects of a function might take more time than other aspects and so i wouldn't expect it to be at a constant rate but when you give me time yeah when you give me time and then it doesn't represent that time what the what"

Eric argues that progress bars which display "time remaining" are misleading if the rate is not constant. He suggests that a simple spinning wheel or a "percent complete" indicator would be more honest, as the actual time taken for different parts of a process can vary significantly. This highlights a frustration with software design that presents inaccurate or meaningless information to the user.


"and i'm mad now 24 years later that again you can go to tj maxx and get friendsgiving paraphernalia you can get like holiday friendsgiving stuff to decorate your house and we even bought some stuff which is kind of kind of dumb way to support big friendsgiving year i know"

Eric expresses frustration that the term "Friendsgiving," which he and his friends developed independently, is now commercialized and widely available in stores. He views this commercialization as a validation of their original idea but also finds it somewhat ironic and "dumb" that they themselves have purchased Friendsgiving-themed items. This quote illustrates the evolution of a personal tradition into a mainstream concept.


"so every every year that i've been a part um there's a handle is that red what are you carving it's it's actually a piece of hardwood floor oh okay like like the for some reason i thought that was the wood that you were using to lower it that that is that that piece of wood yeah yes okay so i'm not wrong you're using it as a handle yeah yes it's a handle okay okay yeah i thought that um and it's sticky as any piece of wood that's been in contact with 24 years worth of fryer oil would be"

Eric describes a tradition at Friendsgiving where a new attendee is tasked with lowering a turkey into the deep fryer, using a piece of hardwood floor as a handle. He notes that this handle has become sticky over 24 years of use, emphasizing the long-standing and evolving nature of their traditions. This quote highlights a specific, tangible element of their annual gathering.


"and so my hot take here is we've been doing friendsgiving for 20 this is the 24th year and back then no one said friendsgiving like it was not this was a word you developed independent of culture yes we and uh i mean you know obviously i i can't rule out that someone heard it subconsciously even or even consciously and just remembered it but thought they came up with it"

Eric states his "hot take" that the term "Friendsgiving" was independently developed by his group, long before it became a common cultural term. He acknowledges the possibility of subconscious influence but maintains that they felt they originated the concept. This quote underscores the personal history and ownership he feels over the term.


"but the real gems have been one piper does these like balsamic vinaigrette brussels sprouts that are just deep fried they're fantastic did not try the brussels sprouts i'm a picky eater this is something where i feel like maybe i need to try the brussels sprouts in the most fantastic presentation and that might change something in my mind i'd try it like that because those are pretty good i just steamed brussels sprouts you're probably not going to have a good time it's going to have a bitter taste but yeah little cabbages to me"

Eric highlights deep-fried balsamic vinaigrette Brussels sprouts as a standout dish from Friendsgiving, attributing the recipe to Piper. He admits to being a picky eater but expresses openness to trying them prepared in this "fantastic presentation," suggesting that the preparation method can significantly alter his perception of a food. This quote points to the culinary creativity that has emerged from their gatherings.


"but the coney chonga and this this was a hard hard sell for me because i don't particularly like chili although i'm i'm coming around now that i'm making my own i'd say you've got a award winning chili now don't you second second place ktc award winning chili so it turns out make it with ingredients you like we got disqualified last year because we made coney chongas yes and they're like that's not chili that's not chili i'm like hey it is it was a cincinnati style chili but here's the coney chonga it's a hot dog right or like a coney dog but instead of putting it in a hot dog bun you put it in a tortilla with cheese and chili and with onions and without onions"

Eric describes the "Coney Chonga," a deep-fried hot dog wrapped in a tortilla with cheese and chili, as a culinary invention born from Friendsgiving. He admits his initial reluctance due to disliking chili but notes that the dish, despite being disqualified from a chili competition, has become a celebrated creation. This quote emphasizes the unique and sometimes unconventional food innovations that arise from their traditions.

Resources

External Resources

Books

  • "The Jedi Council of Friendsgiving" - Mentioned as a humorous, self-appointed group that previously vetted Friendsgiving attendees.

Articles & Papers

  • "The Coney Chonga" (The Soapbox Lex) - Discussed as a deep-fried creation involving a hot dog, tortilla, cheese, and chili.

People

  • Eric - Co-host, discussed for his annual Friendsgiving tradition.
  • Paul - Co-host, discussed for his role in editing the podcast and his opinions on progress bars.
  • Smiley - Mentioned in relation to podcast editing and title selection.
  • Jonathan - Mentioned as a co-creator of the band name "The Insecurity Guards."
  • Nick Fain - Mentioned as being present with a fire extinguisher during the first deep-fried turkey attempt.
  • Ad - Mentioned as a neighbor who worked at Gordon Food Services and provided battered mac and cheese.
  • Kristen - Mentioned in relation to the early Friendsgiving crew and vegan food preparation.
  • Piper - Mentioned as the inventor of the Coney Chonga and creator of deep-fried balsamic vinaigrette Brussels sprouts.
  • Horse - Mentioned as currently making Coney Chongs for Friendsgiving and Super Bowl, and for creating gluten-free versions.
  • Bruce Willis - Mentioned in relation to the movie Die Hard with a Vengeance.
  • Samuel L. Jackson - Mentioned in relation to the movie Die Hard with a Vengeance.
  • Hans Gruber - Mentioned in relation to the movie Die Hard with a Vengeance.

Organizations & Institutions

  • Adobe - Mentioned in the context of software design and progress bars.
  • Microsoft - Mentioned in the context of software design and progress bars.
  • Apple - Mentioned for its progress bar design with a spinning wheel.
  • NFL (National Football League) - Mentioned as an example of a professional American football league.
  • Pro Football Focus (PFF) - Mentioned as a data source for player grading.
  • TJ Maxx - Mentioned for selling "Friendsgiving" themed decorations.
  • Kroger - Mentioned for selling fryers and fryer oil for Thanksgiving.
  • Costco - Mentioned for selling large jugs of fryer oil.
  • Sam's Club - Mentioned for selling large jugs of fryer oil.
  • Gordon Food Services - Mentioned as the employer of a neighbor who provided battered mac and cheese.
  • TCS - Mentioned as a restaurant that served deep-fried ice cream.
  • The Tin Roof - Mentioned as a bar and restaurant where a "shotski" has been seen.
  • Schlatky's Deli - Mentioned as a place that likely does not have a "shotski."
  • Spotify - Mentioned as a platform where the podcast is available.
  • Apple Podcasts - Mentioned as a platform where the podcast is available.
  • Amazon - Mentioned as a platform where the podcast is available.
  • YouTube - Mentioned as a platform where the podcast is available with video.

Tools & Software

  • Adobe Premiere Pro - Implied as the software used for podcast editing due to discussion of rendering and progress bars.
  • Microsoft Windows - Implied as the operating system due to discussion of software design and progress bars.
  • macOS - Implied as the operating system due to discussion of progress bars and spinning wheels.

Websites & Online Resources

  • SoapboxLex.com - Mentioned as the website for the podcast.

Other Resources

  • Smiley Too Electric Boogaloo - Mentioned as a potential title for the podcast episode.
  • Coney Chonga - Mentioned as a deep-fried creation involving a hot dog, tortilla, cheese, and chili.
  • Friendsgiving - Mentioned as an annual gathering tradition.
  • Progress Bar - Discussed in relation to software design and its perceived inaccuracy.
  • Spinning Wheel - Mentioned as an alternative to progress bars, seen as more honest.
  • Deep-fried Turkey - Discussed as a tradition at Friendsgiving, including the process and safety considerations.
  • Chop Saw - Mentioned as a tool stored in an old bathroom cabinet on wheels.
  • Garage Door Openers (phone-controlled) - Mentioned as a technology that was built 20 years ago.
  • KTC Award - Mentioned in relation to chili preparation.
  • Balsamic Vinaigrette Brussels Sprouts - Mentioned as a deep-fried dish served at Friendsgiving.
  • Buffalo Chicken Cauliflower Bites - Mentioned as a vegan dish.
  • Cauliflower Ear - Mentioned as a term related to damaged cartilage in boxing.
  • Shotski - Mentioned as a device made from a ski with shot glasses glued to it for simultaneous drinking.
  • Gluten-free Tortilla - Mentioned as an ingredient used to make gluten-free Coney Chongs.
  • Celiac Disease - Mentioned in the context of dietary restrictions and preparing food for those with the condition.
  • Maillard Effect - Mentioned in relation to browning food and charring.
  • SEO (Search Engine Optimization) - Mentioned in relation to websites and recipe articles.
  • Grammarly - Mentioned as a sponsor, though the segment was cut short.

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