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Media Consolidation and IP Monetization Amidst AI Disruption

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TL;DR

  • Disney's licensing of 200 characters to OpenAI's Sora is a "schmuck insurance" strategy, hedging against AI's inevitable impact by potentially profiting from character usage on other platforms if not directly on Disney+.
  • The Disney-OpenAI deal and the lawsuit against Google for copyright infringement signal a strategic move to monetize IP in the AI era and potentially force Big Tech to pay for content used in model training.
  • The ongoing WBD acquisition battle highlights that regulatory scrutiny may be less about antitrust and more about defining the competitive landscape, with YouTube and Meta's dominance complicating traditional media arguments.
  • Netflix's potential acquisition of WBD is a defensive play against stagnation in its core market and the rise of user-generated content platforms, aiming to secure licensed content and premium viewing hours.
  • David Ellison's existential gamble on acquiring WBD for Paramount underscores the broader industry trend where legacy Hollywood companies must scale significantly to compete with tech giants, lacking a viable Plan B.
  • The focus on CNN and theatrical windows in media discussions is misplaced, as the true competitive battlegrounds are platforms like YouTube, TikTok, and Meta, which dictate future engagement and advertising spend.
  • The increasing value of user-generated content franchises on platforms like YouTube, which creators can monetize without direct platform investment, poses a challenge to traditional studios that invest heavily in IP development.

Deep Dive

The media landscape is undergoing a fundamental redefinition, driven by the confluence of generative AI and the consolidation of legacy entertainment assets. Disney's strategic licensing of its intellectual property to OpenAI's Sora and its lawsuit against Google for copyright infringement signal a proactive, albeit defensive, posture against the irreversible shifts in content creation and consumption, while the ongoing WBD acquisition battle highlights the existential pressure on traditional media companies to scale or become irrelevant in the face of tech giants.

Disney's licensing deal with OpenAI for its characters to be used in Sora, an AI video generation tool, represents a calculated move to maintain relevance and explore new monetization avenues. By allowing its IP to be integrated into AI-generated content, Disney is attempting to "insure" itself against the inevitable proliferation of its characters across emerging platforms, a strategy akin to its investment in Epic Games. The underlying logic is that generative AI content is already exploding on platforms like TikTok and YouTube Shorts, and while Sora's standalone engagement may be low, it can serve as a tool for creators to generate content for other platforms or for specific, personalized uses, such as a birthday message from Buzz Lightyear. The risk for Disney is that AI-generated content could dilute its brand, but the counter-argument is that such content is unlikely to appear on Disney+ and that by engaging with Sora, Disney can still monetize its IP and potentially deepen fan engagement, driving traffic to its parks and other properties. This proactive approach acknowledges that controlling IP in the face of AI-driven content creation is becoming increasingly difficult, as seen with existing fan-made content on platforms like YouTube.

Simultaneously, Disney's lawsuit against Google for copyright infringement on its AI training data underscores the growing tension between content owners and AI developers. By alleging that Google used its copyrighted material to train its AI models, Disney is attempting to establish a precedent for compensation, mirroring the strategy of some news publishers who licensed content to OpenAI to force Google's hand. This legal action, occurring alongside the EU's antitrust investigation into Google and YouTube, places the tech giant in a precarious position. The core of the argument is that if AI models are trained on copyrighted material without compensation, it undermines the value of that IP and potentially enables competitors like OpenAI to leverage it. Disney's aim is likely to secure financial benefits from Google's use of its content, thereby strengthening the position of legacy entertainment companies in the evolving media ecosystem.

The ongoing battle for Warner Bros. Discovery (WBD) between Paramount and Netflix further illustrates the pressures of scale and the struggle for survival in the current media climate. For David Ellison and Paramount, acquiring WBD is an existential necessity, a key step in a larger strategy to compete with tech giants. Without this acquisition, Paramount risks being outmatched by larger entities like Netflix, which is also facing its own challenges. Netflix, while a dominant streaming player, is experiencing stagnation in its core U.S. market and slower international growth. Its interest in WBD, or its defensive positioning against Paramount acquiring it, stems from the potential loss of WBD licensed content, which constitutes a significant portion of its viewing hours. Furthermore, Netflix recognizes the explosive growth of user-generated content on platforms like YouTube and TikTok, and the difficulty of competing with the speed and cost-effectiveness of AI-driven creation. Acquiring WBD could offer library content and IP that helps justify subscription price increases and maintains engagement in a bifurcated market of free and premium streaming.

The broader implications of these developments point to a future where traditional media companies must either consolidate, find ways to monetize their IP with tech giants, or risk obsolescence. The conversations around CNN's ownership and the theatrical window, while significant in legacy media, are increasingly seen as playing in the "wrong sandbox" compared to the existential challenges posed by YouTube, Meta, and generative AI. The creative community's frustration over potential layoffs and studio consolidation is understandable, but the reality is that the media landscape is irrevocably changing, and preserving the old Hollywood model is no longer feasible. Instead, the focus must shift to how legacy companies can adapt, secure their financial future through strategic partnerships and acquisitions, and leverage their valuable IP in an increasingly AI-driven world.

Action Items

  • Audit Disney IP usage: Analyze 200 licensed characters for potential misuse in Sora content generation.
  • Track AI-generated content impact: Measure engagement shifts on TikTok, YouTube Shorts, and Instagram Reels for AI-integrated content.
  • Evaluate regulatory landscape: Assess antitrust implications for Google and YouTube regarding content usage and output.
  • Measure Disney+ engagement: Correlate Sora-generated character interactions with Disney+ subscription retention and viewing hours.
  • Analyze IP monetization strategy: Quantify revenue generated from licensing Disney characters for AI content creation.

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Key Quotes

"We're playing in the wrong sandbox here the conversations that we need to be having are the ones that you are thinking about which are like what's happening with youtube what's happening with meta what's happening with tiktok the conversations about cnn or the theatrical window those are i mean we could talk about like my lp collection if you wanted"

Julia Alexander argues that the current media landscape discussions are focused on outdated topics like CNN and the theatrical window, diverting attention from more pressing issues. Alexander believes the relevant conversations should center on the impact of platforms like YouTube, Meta, and TikTok on the industry.

"The interesting thing about this whole debacle which is what it's turned into which everyone has covered across every industry um it's kind of the story that touches everyone in a lovely way the thing I keep coming back to is twofold one it's a shit ton of money for assets that are actually not that i in my opinion I'm not a banker and not our colleague Bill Cohen who's much better at this type of stuff than I am but they don't seem like they're going to be worth that much in 2030 compared to what they were worth in 1960 1970"

Dylan Byers highlights the financial aspect of the Warner Brothers Discovery (WBD) acquisition discussions, questioning the long-term value of the assets being pursued. Byers notes that despite the significant sums involved, the assets may not retain their historical worth in the coming decades.

"The minute that you say great Instagram and Facebook now have these connected tv apps TikTok has a connected tv app and they're competing for the exact same advertisement spend that we're competing for well now you're in the same market"

Julia Alexander explains how the expansion of platforms like TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook into connected TV apps fundamentally alters the advertising market. Alexander argues that this move places them directly in competition with traditional media for advertising dollars, redefining the competitive landscape.

"I think the unspoken thing that to Bob Iger's credit the man who was originally going to buy Twitter and said we don't want this the man who has fought with YouTube the longest out of every current CEO at a media company the man who has been very invested in his time off when Bob Chapek was running the company to investing in social media firms and AI firms and kind of being around technology the smartest thing I think he and his team have realized is this is going to happen no matter what people are going to find ways to get our characters they're going to do it anyways so why not make some kind of money off of it"

Dylan Byers suggests that Disney CEO Bob Iger's strategic investment in OpenAI is a proactive measure to capitalize on the inevitable use of Disney's intellectual property in AI-generated content. Byers posits that Iger recognizes that preventing this is futile and instead aims to monetize the trend.

"The question then comes down to if IP starts to become less and less owned by major corporations if it starts to become less and less owned by people you look at what's happening in kind of the um Italian brain rot universe where like these characters who are AI generated right and they're all and the top Roblox games the top three in app Roblox games are all Italian brain rot games meaning that the people who created those games own the games but they do not own the characters within the games and so like that's a nightmare in terms of if you're going to monetize that"

Julia Alexander discusses the implications of intellectual property (IP) ownership in the age of AI-generated content, using the example of "Italian brain rot" characters in Roblox games. Alexander points out that creators may own the games but not the characters, creating a monetization challenge.

"The minute that you acknowledge okay well Google's arguably the biggest media company in the world Meta is like the second largest biggest media company in the world the rest of them are small compared to that to begin with now you're saying okay well Netflix actually kind of in the middle needs to find a way to be able to compete with these guys and I don't know if that stands"

Dylan Byers argues that when considering the scale of companies like Google and Meta, Netflix faces a significant challenge in remaining competitive. Byers questions whether Netflix's current strategy is sufficient to compete with these tech giants in the evolving media landscape.

Resources

External Resources

Books

  • "Frankenstein" by Mary Shelley - Mentioned as a classic novel being retold in a film adaptation.

Articles & Papers

  • "The Architects of AI" (Time Magazine) - Mentioned as Time's Person of the Year selection.
  • "Trust in Media" (Pew Research) - Mentioned as an all-time low, used in a Sora edit.

People

  • Dylan Byers - Co-host of The Grill Room podcast.
  • Julia Alexander - Co-host of The Grill Room podcast.
  • Bob Iger - CEO of Disney, discussed in relation to Disney's deal with OpenAI and past investments.
  • Sam Altman - Architect of AI, mentioned as a potential Time Person of the Year and in relation to OpenAI.
  • Jensen Huang - Architect of AI, mentioned as a potential Time Person of the Year.
  • David Ellison - Mentioned in relation to Paramount's potential acquisition of Warner Bros. Discovery and his father's wealth.
  • Larry Ellison - Mentioned as the second wealthiest man in the world, father of David Ellison.
  • Ted Sarandos - Mentioned in relation to Netflix's potential acquisition of Warner Bros. Discovery.
  • Greg Peters - Mentioned in relation to Netflix's potential acquisition of Warner Bros. Discovery.
  • Matt Stoller - Mentioned as a writer of a newsletter and a big antitrust watchdog, arguing about media acquisitions.
  • Bill Coen - Mentioned as a colleague at Puck who is better at financial analysis.
  • David Zaslav - Mentioned in relation to Warner Bros. Discovery and its potential sale.
  • Barry Weiss - Mentioned as a potential recipient of CNN ownership if David Ellison acquires it.
  • Neil Mohan - CEO of YouTube, mentioned in discussions about media competition.
  • Mark Zuckerberg - CEO of Meta, mentioned in discussions about media competition.
  • Walter Cronkite - Former CBS News anchor, mentioned in discussions about media nostalgia and CNN.
  • George Stephanopoulos - Mentioned in relation to Donald Trump's focus on media figures.
  • Tom Hanks - Mentioned in relation to voice acting for AI-generated content.
  • Tom Allen - Mentioned in relation to voice acting for AI-generated content.
  • Mr. Beast - Creator whose video views have halved, discussed in the context of YouTube's business model.
  • Guillermo del Toro - Academy Award-winning director and writer of "Frankenstein."
  • Jacob Elordi - Actor in "Frankenstein," nominated for supporting actor.
  • Clint Bentley - Director and co-writer of "Train Dreams."
  • Joel Edgerton - Lead actor in "Train Dreams."

Organizations & Institutions

  • Disney - Mentioned in relation to its deal with OpenAI and its IP.
  • OpenAI - Mentioned in relation to its deal with Disney and its AI technology.
  • Sora - AI video generation tool, mentioned in relation to Disney's deal and its capabilities.
  • Warner Bros. Discovery (WBD) - Mentioned in relation to acquisition discussions by Paramount and Netflix.
  • Paramount - Mentioned in relation to its potential acquisition of WBD.
  • Netflix - Mentioned in relation to its potential acquisition of WBD and its business strategy.
  • YouTube - Mentioned as a competitor in the media landscape and in relation to Google's antitrust issues.
  • Meta - Mentioned as a competitor in the media landscape.
  • TikTok - Mentioned as a competitor in the media landscape.
  • Puck - Mentioned as partners who have written about the WBD deal.
  • Polymarket - Mentioned in relation to betting on Time's Person of the Year.
  • Kalshi - Mentioned in relation to betting on Time's Person of the Year.
  • New York Times - Mentioned for its review of "Frankenstein."
  • Apollo - Mentioned as a potential buyer of linear networks.
  • Wolf Research - Mentioned for estimates on licensed viewing hours.
  • Pro Football Focus (PFF) - Mentioned as a data source for player grading.
  • National Football League (NFL) - Mentioned in relation to sports discussions.
  • New England Patriots - Mentioned as an example team for performance analysis.
  • Audacy Inc. - Mentioned in relation to listener data and privacy practices.
  • Epic Games - Mentioned in relation to Disney's investment in Fortnite.
  • Fortnite - Mentioned in relation to Disney's investment in Epic Games.
  • Comcast - Mentioned as a potential player in the media acquisition landscape.
  • NBC Universal - Mentioned as a potential acquisition target for David Ellison.
  • The Atlantic - Mentioned for a piece on the fate of CBS News.
  • CNN - Mentioned in relation to its ownership and potential sale.
  • CBS News - Mentioned in relation to its potential acquisition.
  • Washington Post - Mentioned as a headache for Jeff Bezos.
  • MSNBC - Mentioned as a pain in the ass for Brian Roberts.
  • The Grill Room - Podcast name.
  • Odyssey - Podcast network.
  • Pew Research - Mentioned for data on trust in media.
  • FanDuel - Mentioned for live betting on the NFL.
  • Optum - Mentioned for transforming the pharmacy system.
  • Natural Cycles - Mentioned as a birth control app.
  • Google - Mentioned in relation to copyright infringement lawsuits and antitrust investigations.
  • European Union (EU) - Mentioned for opening an investigation into Google and YouTube.
  • DOJ - Mentioned in relation to antitrust practices.
  • FTC - Mentioned in relation to antitrust practices.
  • Roblox - Mentioned in relation to Italian brain rot games.

Tools & Software

  • Sora - AI video generation tool, mentioned in relation to Disney's deal and its capabilities.

Websites & Online Resources

  • starbucks.com/partners - Mentioned for Starbucks industry-leading benefits.
  • audacyinc.com/privacy-policy - Mentioned for listener data and privacy practices.
  • podcastchoices.com/adchoices - Mentioned for ad choices.
  • polymarket.com - Mentioned in relation to betting on Time's Person of the Year.
  • kalshi.com - Mentioned in relation to betting on Time's Person of the Year.
  • fanduel.com/sportsfan - Mentioned for downloading the FanDuel app.
  • optum.com/redefinerx - Mentioned for learning more about Optum.
  • naturalcycles.com - Mentioned for learning more about Natural Cycles.

Other Resources

  • AI (Artificial Intelligence) - Discussed as a transformative technology impacting media.
  • IP (Intellectual Property) - Discussed in relation to Disney's characters and content.
  • Sora - AI video generation tool, mentioned in relation to Disney's deal and its capabilities.
  • WBD sweepstakes - Mentioned as a bidding war for Warner Bros. Discovery.
  • Theatrical window - Discussed in relation to movie releases and audience behavior.
  • Antitrust - Discussed in relation to media acquisitions and Google's practices.
  • User Generated Content (UGC) - Discussed in relation to generative AI and platform competition.
  • Connected TV (CTV) - Discussed as a growing advertising market.
  • Legacy media - Discussed in relation to its decline and the rise of tech platforms.
  • Premium content - Discussed as a category of media.
  • Fair Use Act - Mentioned in relation to copyright and AI-generated content.
  • Italian Brain Rot - Mentioned as a universe of AI-generated characters on Roblox.

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