Mold Remediation, Air Quality, and Health Imperatives
TL;DR
- Mold remediation is complex, with potential conflicts of interest between testing and remediation services, necessitating a focus on experience and reputation over strict separation of roles.
- Indoor air quality is often five to ten times worse than outdoor air due to tightly sealed homes off-gassing VOCs and trapping pollutants, making air filtration essential.
- Stachybotrys, or black mold, is particularly harmful, secreting mycotoxins that can immediately impact most individuals, making avoidance and remediation critical.
- Standard home inspections do not cover environmental hazards like mold, underscoring the need for dedicated mold testing as a crucial condition of home purchase.
- Air scrubbers, like Jaspr, offer a significant upgrade over typical air purifiers by actively cleaning air rather than just filtering it, leading to undeniable health improvements.
- Schools often present poor indoor air quality due to construction and maintenance practices, contributing to increased absentee rates and illness symptoms in students and staff.
- Investing in high-quality air filtration for sleeping areas and drinking water provides significant health benefits and represents a foundational element of preventative wellness.
Deep Dive
The discussion begins with Dr. Tyna sharing her recent experience with black mold in her new Arizona home, which prompted her to invite Mike Feldstein, CEO of Jaspr Air Scrubbers and formerly known as "Mike the Mold Guy," back onto the show. She explains that she discovered a significant mold issue behind the drywall in her master closet, stemming from a roof leak, which required extensive remediation. Feldstein, with his background in mold restoration after natural disasters, offers his expertise on the complexities of mold in homes.
The conversation then delves into the potential conflict of interest between mold testing and remediation services. Feldstein notes that while testing companies often position themselves as more trustworthy due to their independence, those who perform remediation can offer more comprehensive inspections because they understand the practicalities of removal. He argues against a strict rule separating these roles, suggesting that experienced individuals who do both can provide better assessments and that trust and reputation are key.
Dr. Tyna recounts a prior home purchase she abandoned due to a mold inspection revealing Stachybotrys (black mold) in the HVAC system, making it airborne. Feldstein confirms Stachybotrys as particularly harmful, affecting most people immediately. He commends her decision to walk away from that property, highlighting that standard home inspections do not typically cover environmental hazards like mold, and advocates for mandatory environmental inspections and mold testing when purchasing a home.
The discussion shifts to the prevalence of mold and the impossibility of complete avoidance, with Dr. Tyna referencing biblical passages about mold remediation. Feldstein theorizes that as humans become more immunocompromised and develop resistance to antifungals, fungi may become a dominant health challenge. He emphasizes that while individual resilience to mold varies genetically, indoor air quality is a critical factor, and homes, especially those built to be energy-efficient since the 1970s, often trap pollutants.
Feldstein explains that modern homes, built tightly to conserve energy, can become stagnant environments akin to ponds, trapping volatile organic compounds (VOCs) from off-gassing materials, particulate matter from pets and household activities, and mold. He states that indoor air is often five to ten times dirtier than outdoor air, and since people spend 90-95% of their time indoors, this polluted air poses a significant health risk, likening it to drinking from a stagnant pond instead of a flowing stream. He notes that exposure to clean air, like that provided by Jaspr units, can lead to becoming an "air snob," noticing chemical smells in other environments.
The conversation touches on hydration, with Dr. Tyna mentioning the dry Arizona climate and her use of LMNT electrolyte packets to combat dehydration and cramping. Feldstein adds that dried-out mucus membranes, exacerbated by dry environments, make individuals more susceptible to viral infections, emphasizing the need for balance.
Feldstein then elaborates on air filtration, referencing a previous episode on air quality basics. He contrasts air scrubbers, designed for significant air cleaning, with air purifiers, which offer more incremental improvements. He stresses that the effectiveness of air filtration should be undeniable, leading to measurable improvements like better sleep scores and reduced snoring. He explains that Jaspr was designed to be an industrial-grade air scrubber but quiet and aesthetically pleasing, differentiating it from loud, unattractive remediation equipment.
The sensitivity of Jaspr units is highlighted when Dr. Tyna notes her unit activating from hairspray use and dust from her dogs' fur, indicating a higher level of responsiveness compared to other brands. Feldstein explains that Jaspr focuses solely on air scrubbers, aiming for product excellence rather than diversification. He also discusses the importance of air filtration during cold and flu season, citing studies showing reduced absentee rates in schools with air purifiers, and the critical need for filtration during wildfire events, recounting an example where a home with a Jaspr remained livable while a neighboring apartment without one became uninhabitable after wildfires.
The discussion turns to schools, with Dr. Tyna sharing a personal story about attending a high school building with significant black mold exposure, which she believes contributed to her lifelong autoimmune issues. Feldstein discusses his involvement in purchasing a school in Austin, Texas, to create a healthier learning environment, "Kindling Academy," inspired by his daughters' experiences with frequent illness in poorly ventilated classrooms. He cites a Finnish study showing a 30% drop in absentee rates with air purifiers in classrooms and emphasizes the school's commitment to filtered air, water, circadian-rhythm lighting, and outdoor time.
Feldstein mentions that Jaspr offers to donate units to classrooms and provides new mothers in Austin with a Jaspr for their baby's nursery. He also addresses concerns about the cost of Jaspr by recommending DIY Corsi-Rosenthal boxes as a more affordable alternative to low-quality plastic air purifiers. He reiterates that Jaspr offers a lifetime warranty, emphasizing their commitment to customer service and product longevity, positioning it as a one-time investment. The special offer for Dr. Tyna's listeners is detailed: $400 off per Jaspr unit using code DRTYNA, with a warning about potential sell-outs before Black Friday.
Action Items
- Audit indoor air quality: Test for mold and VOCs in 3-5 high-traffic areas of living/working spaces.
- Implement air filtration: Install HEPA-rated air scrubbers in all bedrooms and main living areas.
- Create a mold remediation plan: Document procedures for identifying, containing, and removing mold from 1-2 common problem areas.
- Evaluate HVAC system: Inspect and clean HVAC ducts to prevent airborne mold and allergen distribution.
- Develop a proactive air quality monitoring system: Track indoor air quality metrics (e.g., particulate matter, VOCs) weekly to identify trends and potential issues.
Key Quotes
"I finally decided to talk about mold after going through a whole situation with black mold in my new place in Arizona. It was a lot to manage, and I learned more than I ever expected. So I pulled my friend Mike Feldstein back on the show to help me make sense of it all."
Dr. Tyna explains her personal experience with mold in a new home, which prompted her to revisit the topic on her podcast. This anecdote serves as the catalyst for the discussion, highlighting the complexity and stress associated with mold issues.
"I hire a mold inspector who's a specialty mold inspector interesting caveat here because i've learned a lot about mold inspection and we can talk about this um they inspect and they remediate that's a conflict of interest right so i hire this guy and he finds this tiny little bubbling of paint in the closet on the shelving in the closet so it's just the tiniest little bubbling and my husband's like you know what we'll just cut that little board out i don't think it's anything just there's no reason to spend all this money tina and i was like i'm spending the money so i have the a very very uh high quality mold remediation company come in they're called square one they're all my mold doctor friends recommended them they came in he pulls back the board he pulls back the drywall in the master bedroom or closet he finds the mold traversing the wall we thought it was just coming on the other side of that wall was a bathroom vanity so we thought it was just coming from the vanity nope all the way down that wall all the way down the wall of the toilet room all the way up the wall completely embedded in the insulation and the ceiling and there's a leak there's a leak in the roof and it is an extent much more i mean it was very stressful it was much more extensive and so i immediately called your company and i was like i gotta get the house full of jaspers because i can't i can't"
Dr. Tyna details a significant mold discovery in her new home, which was far more extensive than initially indicated by an inspector. She emphasizes the importance of hiring a high-quality remediation company and her immediate decision to use Jaspr air scrubbers due to the severity of the mold.
"The vision for jasper was to create the world's first air scrubber that's why it's made out of steel and it has a big industrial grade filter um it was it was designed to be a scrubber but a pretty quiet one you know we care about aesthetic because if it's ugly and loud then you're going to shut it off and put it in the closet and it's just not going to be practical um so that was really the vision and that's why it was built different most air purifiers out there these companies make hundreds or thousands of different products they make everything under the sun or really they make nothing we only do one thing we're just obsessed with making the best air scrubber we don't make water filters or diffusers or anything else we just make one thing and we make it really good so that's just kind of how we approach things a little bit differently"
Mike Feldstein explains the foundational vision behind Jaspr air scrubbers. He highlights that the product was designed to function as an industrial-grade air scrubber but with a focus on being quiet and aesthetically pleasing, differentiating it from typical air purifiers.
"The average home that we test the air is five to ten times dirtier than the outdoor air and if you think about it like you know 25 years ago dentists didn't even wear masks or gloves and growing up nobody really filtered their water water was just water like tap water was the basic thing if you would drink from your hose now you think about it and you you're like that hose did sort of taste plasticky that's because it was and if you really trust yourself you can easily tell once you start drinking filtered water you know you become a little bit of a water snob and now when you taste water you can't taste filtered water from unfiltered water and i always said there's only one bad thing about having really clean air and having jaspers at home is you will become an air snob all of a sudden you're going to go to friends' homes families' homes hotels ubers airbnbs and they're going to smell like chemicals"
Mike Feldstein asserts that indoor air is significantly more polluted than outdoor air, drawing a parallel to how people have become more discerning about water quality. He explains that experiencing clean air through products like Jaspr can lead to becoming an "air snob," noticing the presence of chemicals in other environments.
"It's not a matter of anymore of like no one has good indoor air unless you live in like costa rica or in some rainforest somewhere if you live in a normal home in the us your indoor air is not good so it's just a matter of how important is that to you and what are you going to do about it as many of you know i just moved from the rain of oregon to the desert of arizona and man is it dry here i could not figure out why my lips were so chapped and my calves kept cramping and then i realized i was letting myself get dehydrated just by being here fortunately i brought plenty of element drink mix packets with me if you fell in love with their seasonal summer flavor lemonade salt i'm excited to share with you that element has decided to make that flavor it's my absolute favorite i mix it into anything and everything where i think a zest of lemon would taste good sparkling water iced tea you name it formulated with element science backed electrolyte ratio lemonade salt delivers optimal hydration to keep you feeling refreshed energized and ready to take on whatever adventures this winter throws your way and remember you don't have to live in the sun to get dehydrated cold weather and heated indoor environments will dry you out too so grab a few boxes of element for the holidays and know that they do make a great gift people love element i found and when you order you can get a free eight count sample pack of element's most popular drink mix flavors with any purchase at drinkelement com dr tina that's d r i n k l m n t com dr tina find your favorite element flavor or share it with a friend"
Dr. Tyna discusses the pervasive issue of poor indoor air quality in typical US homes, contrasting it with ideal environments like rainforests. She then transitions to her personal experience with dehydration in Arizona and promotes LMNT electrolyte drink mix as a solution for hydration, highlighting its versatility and suitability for various conditions.
"The data during covid was very clear air filtration i gander i know that there was a you know my big thing with covid was we were sitting in a metabolic syndrome crisis and covid preferentially obliterates bodies that are metabolically unsound but that said air filtration there were so many studies coming out showing that if we just had installed really great air filtration into everywhere covid counts would have very likely dropped and they did in some of these studies so not to get into that but like we are walking into that upper respiratory season and i think air filtration is critical so when i go to
Resources
External Resources
Books
- "Leviticus" - Mentioned as containing biblical references to mold and home remediation.
Articles & Papers
- Study in Finland - Discussed as demonstrating a 30% drop in absentee rates in classrooms with air purifiers.
People
- Mike Feldstein - CEO of Jaspr Air Scrubbers, formerly known as "Mike the Mold Guy," guest on the podcast discussing mold and air quality.
- Dr. Tyna Moore - Host of "The Dr. Tyna Show," discussing her personal experience with mold and the importance of air quality.
- Ryan - Mentioned as a friend of Dr. Tyna and Mike Feldstein who appreciates the industrial nature of Jaspr units.
Organizations & Institutions
- Jaspr - Company that manufactures air scrubbers, discussed for its product's effectiveness and design.
- Kindling Academy - A new school opening in Austin, founded by Mike Feldstein, focused on healthy indoor environments and outdoor learning.
- Square One - A mold remediation company recommended by Dr. Tyna's "mold doctor friends."
Websites & Online Resources
- jaspr.co/DRTYNA - Website for Jaspr Air Scrubbers, with a special offer for listeners.
- kindling.academy - Website for Kindling Academy.
- drtina.com - Dr. Tyna Moore's website.
- drinklmnt.com/drtyna - Website for LMNT electrolyte drink mix.
- paleovalley.com/drtyna - Website for Paleo Valley meat sticks.
- qualialife.com/drtyna - Website for Qualia NAD+.
- manukora.com/drtyna - Website for Manukora Manuka Honey.
- graza.co/DRTYNA - Website for Graza Olive Oil.
- CozyEarth.com - Website for Cozy Earth bedding and apparel.
Other Resources
- Corsi-Rosenthal Box - A DIY air purifier recommended as an alternative to expensive plastic units.
- Mold - Discussed as a significant indoor air pollutant with various health implications.
- Air Scrubbers - Equipment designed to clean air, contrasted with air purifiers.
- Air Quality - Discussed as a critical factor for health, especially indoor air quality.
- Mycotoxins - Toxic compounds secreted by mold, discussed in relation to black mold exposure.
- VOCs (Volatile Organic Compounds) - Airborne chemicals emitted from manufactured products, discussed as indoor air pollutants.
- Electrolytes - Mentioned in the context of hydration and the LMNT product.
- Meat Sticks - Discussed in relation to Paleo Valley's product and fermentation process.
- NAD+ - Mentioned in relation to cellular energy and the Qualia NAD+ supplement.
- Manuka Honey - Discussed for its health benefits and prebiotic properties.
- Olive Oil - Mentioned in relation to Graza's product and its freshness.
- Bedding/Pajamas - Mentioned in relation to Cozy Earth's products.
- Cold and Flu Season - Discussed as a time when air filtration becomes particularly important.
- Wildfire Season - Discussed as a period where air filtration is critical for safety.
- Gut Health - Mentioned in relation to the "Digest This" podcast.
- Digest This Podcast - Hosted by Bethany Cameron, focusing on gut health.