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Multifamily Real Estate: Long-Term Holds, Tax Advantages, and Predictable Income

Original Title: Robert Boucai & James Broyer – Tax-Efficient Multifamily Real Estate at Newbrook (EP.475)

TL;DR

  • Real estate investments offer superior after-tax returns through depreciation shelters and income growth, outperforming liquid investments for taxable individuals seeking long-term income.
  • Newbrook Capital Properties prioritizes fixed-rate, long-term financing and ownership to capture real estate's tax advantages, contrasting with competitors using floating-rate debt for shorter holds.
  • Focusing on landlord-friendly Midwest and Sunbelt markets with low supply and strong rent growth potential, rather than high population growth areas, drives superior risk-adjusted returns.
  • Renovating interiors and enhancing community amenities allows for significant rent premiums and improved operational efficiency, driving cash flow and asset value over a long-term hold.
  • The strategy targets two-thirds of returns from cash flow, providing a predictable, tax-advantaged income stream that acts as a synthetic fixed-income replacement.
  • Deal-by-deal execution offers flexibility for investors and tax enhancements, allowing customization for taxable individuals unlike many fund structures optimized for tax-exempt entities.
  • Insurance costs are a significant risk, necessitating conservative underwriting and avoidance of deals in high-risk areas to maintain projected returns and avoid losses.

Deep Dive

Robert Boucai and James Broyer, co-founders of Newbrook Capital Properties, discuss their multifamily real estate investment platform. Boucai's initial investment experience in real estate general partnerships revealed superior after-tax returns due to depreciation shelters and income growth compared to other investments. This observation led to the conclusion that they needed to create their own optimal solution, as existing general partners lacked certain desired attributes such as long-term fixed-rate financing and sufficient personal capital alignment.

The conversation then shifts to Boucai's career trajectory. He pursued real estate and finance at Wharton, starting his career at Blackstone in 1997. While at Blackstone, he also explored venture capital by investing in technology and telecom startups during the internet build-out, some of which went public. The subsequent dot-com bubble burst led him to recognize opportunities on the short side of the market, prompting him to join a hedge fund in 2001. He worked there until 2005, capitalizing on the TMT bubble's collapse.

Boucai then details the founding of Newbrook Capital Advisors in February 2006. He aimed to build a firm based on best practices learned from both public and private equity, emphasizing standardized approaches, investment committees, and rigorous research. Starting with $9 million in assets under management, the firm grew to $200 million by the end of its first year and currently manages approximately $1 billion across hedge fund and long-only strategies. He notes that common threads across his diverse investment experiences include remaining aware of changing market dynamics and understanding how cycles impact different asset classes.

The discussion moves to the evolution of the hedge fund business. Boucai describes the early 2000s as a "golden era" for hedge funds, characterized by lower competition, less sophisticated data analysis, and the ability to generate consistent returns even in flat markets. He contrasts this with the present day, which features more multi-strat funds and advanced data utilization.

Boucai explains his return to private real estate investing, stemming from his 2020 personal investment performance. He observed that real estate provided better after-tax returns than liquid investments due to tax shelters and income growth. This realization prompted the desire to build a platform focused on long-duration, tax-efficient income from multifamily properties. He highlights that many existing general partners utilize short-term, floating-rate financing and shorter hold periods driven by carried interest, which does not align with his goal of maximizing tax benefits through long-term ownership and fixed-rate debt.

The narrative then focuses on the partnership with James Broyer and the formation of Newbrook Capital Properties. Boucai spent 2021 and 2022 seeking a partner who shared his vision for long-term holds, 30-year financing, investor alignment, and a contrarian approach. He met approximately 50 potential partners before finding Jordan, who led the multifamily business at J R K. This partnership was solidified in January 2022, though the market conditions at the time, with cap rates below borrowing rates, initially presented negative leverage, a factor Newbrook prioritizes avoiding.

Broyer shares his career path, starting in pension consulting after graduating in 2008, followed by investment banking. He found real estate more engaging and joined Boston Capital, focusing on buying market-rate apartment communities. After two years, he moved to J R K Property Holdings in Los Angeles, where he spent 12 years, rising from analyst to president of the investment division. He left J R K due to its evolution into a family business and a desire to pursue an entrepreneurial venture with Robert Boucai, whose investment philosophy aligned with his own emphasis on de-risking assets through longer holds and fixed-rate financing.

Broyer elaborates on the multifamily market in early 2022, noting a significant increase in acquisition volume since 2019, compressed cap rates, and the substantial capital raised by non-traded REITs, which were acquiring a large portion of multifamily transactions. For those employing fixed-rate financing, like Newbrook, the market was unattractive, with values trading above replacement cost and insufficient cash-on-cash returns. By August 2023, a market correction had occurred, with values dropping about 30% from their peak, creating an attractive entry point with limited downside and opportunities to buy below replacement cost.

The strategic focus on multifamily real estate is explained by its relative lack of controversy compared to office or retail. Boucai emphasizes that people always need housing, and multifamily properties consistently have access to lending markets, making them a predictable and safe investment for generating a synthetic fixed-income replacement stream.

The decision to exclusively use fixed-rate debt is further detailed. Boucai reiterates that the tax benefits of real estate, particularly the depreciation shield, are maximized through long-term holds enabled by fixed-rate financing. This strategy provides a predictable income stream, less dependent on fluctuating interest rates, and offers a strong Internal Rate of Return even if asset appreciation is minimal.

Regarding market selection, Newbrook underwrites approximately 100 deals monthly, focusing on landlord-friendly states in the Midwest and select Sunbelt markets. They look for compressed markets with positive rent growth trends and prioritize deals where approximately two-thirds of the projected return comes from cash flow, as opposed to appreciation-focused strategies that rely on floating-rate debt and shorter hold periods.

Boucai describes a specific deal in suburban Charlotte, North Carolina, acquired in June 2024. The asset was 96.5% occupied, achieving significant rent increases on new leases and renewals. Purchased around a 6% cap rate with eight years of financing at approximately 4%, it offered 200 basis points of positive leverage from day one. The property has experienced 13% rent growth in 16 months, with only 20% of units renovated, indicating substantial potential for further rent increases.

The renovation process involves an upfront capital allocation of $12,000 to $20,000 per unit, with 70% dedicated to interior upgrades like kitchens and bathrooms, and the remaining 30% to amenities such as fitness centers and pools. Interiors focus on durable materials like wood plank flooring and stone countertops to reduce long-term capital expenditure. Typically, 10-20% of units are renovated annually, with a focus on enhancing the resident experience to drive renewals and upgrades.

Portfolio diversification involves focusing on the Midwest and Sunbelt, avoiding states like California and New York due to potential regulatory restrictions and higher taxes. The goal is to operate within 10-12 landlord-friendly states, ensuring geographic diversity over a long-duration hold.

The exit strategy anticipates selling during a compressed market period, ideally when interest rates are falling or when market conditions allow for a premium sale, either as a portfolio or a larger transaction. However, they underwrite for selling in a buyer's market, believing their strategy will provide an attractive outcome regardless of exit conditions.

The competitive landscape for multifamily is described as less crowded than in previous years due to the number of overleveraged investors sidelined by floating-rate debt. Newbrook

Action Items

  • Create a framework for evaluating multifamily markets: Prioritize rent growth drivers (low supply, limited barriers to entry) over population growth for 3-5 target regions.
  • Design a fixed-rate debt acquisition checklist: Ensure all new multifamily acquisitions utilize fixed-rate financing for long-term income predictability.
  • Implement a unit renovation ROI analysis: For 10-20% of units per property, quantify renovation spend against projected rent premium and capex reduction.
  • Audit 5-10 recent multifamily acquisitions: Verify adherence to positive leverage from day one and a minimum 6% cash-on-cash return.
  • Develop a communication template for investor quarterly reports: Standardize reporting on property performance against underwriting for 3-5 key metrics.

Key Quotes

"i'm looking at my own returns of my investments in 2020 i'd invested in a bunch of real estate general partnerships over the last 10 15 years my best after tax returns were coming from real estate because of the depreciation shelter and the growth in income i was getting attractive returns on an after tax basis we came to the conclusion that we really needed to create this ourselves and we couldn't invest more as other gps because the other gps don't have the things that we were looking for"

Robert Boucai explains that his personal investment experience in 2020 revealed real estate's superior after-tax returns due to depreciation and income growth. This realization led him and James Broyer to believe they needed to build their own platform rather than rely on existing general partners who lacked certain desired attributes.


"we came to the conclusion that we really needed to create this ourselves and we couldn't invest more as other gps because the other gps don't have the things that we were looking for which was they're not necessarily benefiting from the income shield that you're getting from real estate because you need to own it long term you need to use fixed rate financing to do that they are generally using short term floating rate financing and they have shorter term holds because they're trying to generate carried interest income to pay themselves and then lastly i would say they don't have as much personal capital invested so the alignments are not there"

Robert Boucai elaborates on why they decided to create their own real estate platform, Newbrook Capital Properties. He highlights that other general partners often do not leverage long-term fixed-rate financing or maintain long-term holds, which are crucial for maximizing real estate's tax benefits and income shield. Boucai also points out a lack of alignment due to shorter hold periods and less personal capital invested by other GPs.


"what we were trying to create is a synthetic fixed income replacement stream for an investor and a tax advantage one multifamily lends itself best of all those asset classes to doing that"

James Broyer explains the strategic focus on multifamily real estate within their investment approach. Broyer states that multifamily is the most suitable asset class for creating a tax-advantaged, synthetic fixed-income replacement stream for investors. This positioning highlights the dual benefit of predictable income and tax efficiency that their strategy aims to deliver.


"if you are trying to get the tax benefit from investing in real estate you get it from having a long term hold because it allows you to use the depreciation shield if you buy a piece of multifamily property depreciate it over 27 and a half years if we're trying to buy that income stream goes out to the example of 6 cap rate with 5 borrowed financing it starts out at the cash on cash slightly over 6 you want to grow through the hold maybe that's 8 over the hold if you use the announcement the announcement may not be as predictable as your subject to the third reason in lowering rates in the fixed income side if you hold it for 10 years you have a predictable income stream you're less dependent on rates for your return"

Robert Boucai details the importance of a long-term hold strategy in real estate to maximize tax benefits, specifically the depreciation shield. Boucai uses an example to illustrate how a 6 cap rate with 5% financing can yield over 6% cash-on-cash initially, growing to 8% over the hold. He contrasts this with floating-rate debt, emphasizing that fixed-rate debt over a 10-year hold provides a predictable income stream, reducing dependency on fluctuating interest rates for returns.


"what we focus on is low supply markets and we've seen that that is out performs these high population growth markets that come with supply and lack of barrier to entry"

James Broyer articulates a key differentiator in their market selection strategy. Broyer explains that Newbrook Capital Properties prioritizes investing in markets with low supply, which they have found to outperform high population growth markets that often experience increased supply and fewer barriers to entry. This focus on supply constraints is central to their approach for driving rent growth and investment returns.


"we underwrite that we're going to be selling in an environment similar to today which is largely a buyer's market there's not a great time to be selling but we think that we're going to have an opportunity to sell during ideally a compressed period either as a portfolio with a handful of the deals or a larger transaction if it makes sense and there's equity out there that wants to pay a premium for portfolios"

Robert Boucai discusses their exit strategy, which is conservatively underwritten for a buyer's market similar to the current environment. Boucai indicates that their ideal scenario involves selling during a compressed market period, either as a portfolio or a larger transaction, if buyers are willing to pay a premium. This approach reflects a disciplined view on realizing value, even under less than ideal market conditions.

Resources

External Resources

Books

  • "The Wall Street Journal" - Mentioned as reading material during upbringing.

People

  • Robert Boucai - Co-Founder of Newbrook Capital Properties, Founder of Newbrook Capital Advisors.
  • James Broyer - Co-Founder of Newbrook Capital Properties.
  • Ted Sideris - Host of the Capital Allocators podcast.
  • Adam Donahue - Joined Newbrook to assist with organizational matters.
  • Jordan - Ran the multifamily business at J R K.
  • John - Mentioned in relation to meeting James in 2022.
  • Warren Buffett - Mentioned as an example of long-term wealth accumulation and tax minimization.

Organizations & Institutions

  • Newbrook Capital Properties - Multifamily real estate investment platform.
  • Newbrook Capital Advisors - Hedge fund founded by Robert Boucai.
  • Blackstone - Real estate firm where Robert Boucai started his career.
  • Hearing Health Foundation - Organization Robert Boucai serves on the board of.
  • J R K Property Holdings - Firm where James Broyer worked.
  • The Podcast Consultant - Provided editing and post-production for the episode.

Websites & Online Resources

  • capitalallocators.com - Website for the mailing list and premium membership.
  • twitter.com/tseides - Ted Sideris's Twitter handle.
  • linkedin.com/in/tedseides/ - Ted Sideris's LinkedIn profile.
  • thepodcastconsultant.com - Website for The Podcast Consultant.

Other Resources

  • Capital Allocators -- Inside the Institutional Investment Industry - Podcast series.
  • Tax-Efficient Multifamily Real Estate - Topic of discussion in the episode.
  • Long-Short and Long-Only Strategies - Investment strategies managed by Newbrook Capital Advisors.
  • Venture Capital - Investment area Robert Boucai explored.
  • Hedge Fund Business - Industry Robert Boucai became interested in.
  • Public and Private Equity - Investment areas Robert Boucai learned about at Blackstone.
  • Multifamily Real Estate - Primary focus of Newbrook Capital Properties.
  • Fixed-Rate Financing - Preferred financing method for Newbrook Capital Properties.
  • Floating-Rate Financing - Financing method commonly used by other real estate investors.
  • Positive Leverage - Investment principle at Newbrook Capital Properties.
  • Landlord-Friendly States - Preferred locations for Newbrook Capital Properties investments.
  • Non-Traded REITs - Investment vehicles mentioned in the context of multifamily acquisitions.
  • 1031 Exchanges - Tax strategy related to real estate investments.
  • Bonus Depreciation - Tax benefit discussed in relation to real estate investments.
  • AI Revolution - Mentioned as a potential driver of market dispersion.

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