DoorDash's Growth Equation and Marketing Evolution Insights

Wharton Marketing Matters · December 25, 2025 · Listen to Original Episode →

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TL;DR

DoorDash's growth equation of "selection multiplied by quality" enabled scaling from a local restaurant delivery service to a global marketplace, demonstrating a foundational principle for platform businesses.
Early DoorDash employees experienced a shared journey of intense difficulty and possibility, fostering a "collective energy" that cultivated belief in transforming an "acorn into a redwood."
DoorDash's advertising business aligns incentives through a CPA-based model, driving advertiser conversion by ensuring relevant consumer moments, exemplified by late-night ice cream targeting.
The evolution of marketing from a linear funnel to a "subway map" necessitates understanding each tool's role in an ecosystem to motivate consumer action effectively.
Take 5 Oil Change aims to move beyond a transactional relationship by tapping into consumer anxieties around car maintenance, using platforms like "Clive" to express human truths and connect emotionally.
Generative AI is viewed as a powerful enablement tool for marketers to work smarter and faster, but it cannot replace the fundamental need for hands-on field experience and understanding human emotion.

Deep Dive

DoorDash's advertising business leverages a CPA-based model to create relevant consumer experiences, driving incremental growth for advertisers by focusing on conversion. This approach, deeply embedded in the company's architecture, prioritizes aligning incentives between advertisers and consumers, a strategy distinct from competitors who may inundate users with less targeted information. The company's evolution from a restaurant delivery service to a multi-faceted global marketplace underscores its capacity to adapt and innovate, now integrating artificial intelligence to further enhance its core offerings and develop new businesses for its partners.

Take 5 Oil Change, under new marketing leadership, aims to move beyond transactional service by fostering emotional connections with consumers. This strategy involves understanding and addressing the human anxieties associated with car maintenance, using a platform like the character "Clive" to tap into these "human truths" and reflect them in marketing efforts. While technology, including generative AI, serves as a tool for efficiency and iteration, the core philosophy emphasizes the art of marketing--connecting emotionally and rationally with customers by understanding their mindset and acknowledging the brand's place in their lives, ultimately driving business growth through authentic engagement rather than mere interruption.

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Key Quotes

"many tens of thousands of years ago if you wanted something to eat you had to go out into the danger and the wilderness and bring back something hunt it kill it bring it back to the tribe and cook it and eat it fast forward to today where now all you do is pop open this little thing called the cell phone and there's a little square on there that says doordash you press it you pull up a menu you select something that you want and then 25 minutes later someone puts food at your doorstep"

Toby Espinosa highlights the dramatic shift in consumer convenience, illustrating how DoorDash has transformed a fundamental human need from a laborious, survival-based activity into a simple, on-demand digital transaction. This contrast underscores the value proposition DoorDash offers by leveraging technology to meet immediate consumer desires.

"our original core business was restaurant delivery what that meant was we got a lot of local restaurants and national restaurant chains put it on a website or as you said our mobile application and we allowed consumers to order for a for a small fee and get that product delivered to them and in the background was this very complex logistics network um of of amazing dashers who would go and pick up the product and deliver it"

Toby Espinosa explains the foundational model of DoorDash, emphasizing the dual components of a curated selection of restaurants and a sophisticated delivery network. He points out that the core business relied on bridging the gap between consumer demand and restaurant availability through technology and a dedicated delivery force.

"everyone believes starts to believe that that acorn can become a redwood"

Toby Espinosa uses this metaphor to describe the shared vision and collective belief within an early-stage company. He suggests that this shared experience of overcoming significant challenges together fosters a powerful conviction that even a small beginning can grow into something immense.

"the reality is is that in today's landscape in particular given so many choices and options consumers make emotional decisions before they make rational choices and so it's really our obligation if we want to take on that huge task we've got to start with the humility and the humility really does mean getting into the mindset capturing that heart capturing that mind in order to capture that traffic and that business"

Doug Zarkin emphasizes that consumer purchasing decisions are primarily driven by emotion, not logic, especially in a market saturated with options. He argues that marketers must approach consumers with humility, focusing on understanding and connecting with their emotional state to effectively capture their attention and business.

"it used to be a a funnel it used to be a linear funnel right and i think today the appreciation is really that it's more like a subway map than a linear funnel which means that every tool and tactic you really have to recognize its role in the ecosystem"

Doug Zarkin contrasts traditional marketing funnels with a more complex "subway map" model. He explains that modern marketing requires understanding how each tool and tactic functions within a broader ecosystem, rather than following a single, linear path to conversion.

"clive doesn't work for take 5 clive as a platform is the embodiment of what is going on in the mindset of the consumer and so what you've seen with clive is the pilot episode as i've come on board and working with our creative agency we're in the process of kind of mapping what the the the 10 episode deal will be"

Doug Zarkin clarifies that the character Clive is not an employee but a platform designed to represent the consumer's internal experience and anxieties. He indicates that Clive serves as a narrative device to explore these human truths and connect them to Take 5 Oil Change's services.

Resources

External Resources

Books

"Moving Your Brand Out of the Friend Zone" by Doug Zarkin - Mentioned as the title of Doug Zarkin's book, which discusses creating brand love and deeper consumer investment.

Articles & Papers

Harvard Case Study - Mentioned as a case study written on Pearle Vision during Doug Zarkin's tenure as CMO.

People

Toby Espinosa - Vice President of Ads at DoorDash, discussing scaling startups and retail media innovation.
Doug Zarkin - Chief Marketing Officer at Take 5 Oil Change, formerly CMO of Pearle Vision, discussing emotional branding and authenticity.
America's Reed II - Host of the Wharton Marketing Matters podcast.
Katie Couric - Mentioned in relation to a national partnership led by Doug Zarkin at Modern Performance and Recovery Brands.
Don Valentine - Mentioned in relation to the concept of a big company as an aircraft carrier.
Tony Xu - Founder and CEO of DoorDash, mentioned for his early use of a Square reader.
Flo (Progressive) - Mentioned as an example of a brand character, contrasted with Clive from Take 5 Oil Change.
Jake from State Farm - Mentioned as an example of a brand character, contrasted with Clive from Take 5 Oil Change.
Billy Jean - Mentioned in relation to the quote "pressure is a privilege."
Dean Simpkins - Producer of the Marketing Matters podcast.
Marissa Renna - Producer of the Marketing Matters podcast.

Organizations & Institutions

DoorDash - Discussed for its evolution from a startup to a global marketplace and its advertising business.
Take 5 Oil Change - Discussed for its marketing strategies, including the "Clive" campaign and partnerships.
Pearle Vision - Mentioned as a company where Doug Zarkin was CMO and for which a Harvard case study was written.
Modern Performance and Recovery Brands - Mentioned as a wellness and fitness service company where Doug Zarkin was Chief Brand Officer.
The Good Feet Store - Mentioned as a brand under Modern Performance and Recovery Brands.
Wharton School - The institution producing the Marketing Matters podcast.
Wharton Podcast Network - The network on which the Marketing Matters podcast is broadcast.
NFL (National Football League) - Mentioned in the context of sports analytics and performance.
New England Patriots - Mentioned as an example team for performance analysis.
Pro Football Focus (PFF) - Mentioned as a data source for player grading.
Unilever - Mentioned as an advertiser using DoorDash's targeting services for ice cream.
Apple Computer - Mentioned as an "aircraft carrier" that enabled the growth of companies like DoorDash.
Amazon (AWS) - Mentioned as an "aircraft carrier" that enabled the growth of companies like DoorDash.
Sequoia Capital - Mentioned in relation to Don Valentine's concept of large companies.
Progressive - Mentioned in relation to its brand character "Flo."
State Farm - Mentioned in relation to its brand character "Jake."
Avon - Mentioned as a company where Doug Zarkin worked as an "Avon lady."
Victoria's Secret - Mentioned as a company where Doug Zarkin worked.
Provision - Mentioned as a company where Doug Zarkin worked as an optician.

Websites & Online Resources

acast.com/privacy - Provided for privacy information regarding hosting.
doordash.com/ads - The website to learn more about DoorDash's advertising business.
takefive.com - The website for Take 5 Oil Change.
linkedin.com - Mentioned as a platform where information about Take 5 Oil Change can be found.

Other Resources

Retail Media Innovation - Discussed in relation to DoorDash's advertising business.
Emotional Branding - Discussed as a marketing approach by Doug Zarkin.
Authenticity and Creativity - Discussed as elements of emotional branding.
Segmentation, Targeting, and Positioning - Mentioned as core concepts in marketing.
DoorDash Core Business (Restaurant Delivery) - Described as the original business model involving selection, logistics, and delivery.
Logistics Network - The complex system behind DoorDash's delivery operations.
Dashers - The individuals who pick up and deliver products for DoorDash.
Selection (Content) - A component of DoorDash's original growth equation, referring to the variety of restaurants and goods available.
Quality (Experience, Price) - A component of DoorDash's original growth equation, referring to the consumer experience.
Growth Equation - The formula DoorDash used for expansion: Selection multiplied by Quality equals Growth.
Value Proposition - The core benefit offered by DoorDash.
Silicon Valley Business Models - Discussed in terms of extremes of failure and massive success.
Entrepreneurship - Discussed in the context of shared vision and overcoming challenges.
Advertising Business (DoorDash) - Discussed as a business unit focused on providing relevant information to consumers and growth opportunities for advertisers.
CPA-Based Model - A model that drives relevance and conversion for advertisers.
Conversion-Based Marketing - Marketing strategies focused on driving desired actions from consumers.
Late Night Targeting - A specific targeting strategy used by DoorDash for advertisers.
Artificial Intelligence (AI) - Discussed as a technological revolution impacting core businesses and enabling new ventures.
Generative AI (ChatGPT) - Discussed as a tool for testing, iteration, and understanding communication, but lacking emotion.
Mobile Revolution - One of the concurrent revolutions that enabled DoorDash's business.
Shared Database/Cloud Revolution (AWS, Google Cloud) - Another concurrent revolution that enabled DoorDash's business.
Square Reader - An early tool used by DoorDash for payment processing.
Aircraft Carrier Analogy - Used to describe how large companies create waves of innovation.
Storefront (DoorDash) - A DoorDash business offering.
Deliveries as a Service - A DoorDash business offering.
Loyalty Integrations - A new service announced by DoorDash for restaurant partners.
Traditional Branding/Advertising - Contrasted with modern marketing approaches.
Collaboration, Social Media, Influencers - Modern marketing tactics.
Thinking Human - Doug Zarkin's philosophy of treating each customer as unique.
Subway Map Analogy - Used to describe the non-linear nature of modern marketing funnels.
Art of Sacrifice - The principle of not trying to say everything in marketing.
Channel-Specific Briefs - Developing marketing briefs tailored to different communication channels.
F1 Movie Integration - A partnership example used by Take 5 Oil Change.
Cluttered Touchpoints - Competitive and noisy advertising environments.
Brand Awareness - Building recognition for a brand.
Geofencing and Targeting - Location-based marketing strategies.
Placer AI - A tool used by Take 5 Oil Change for strategy building.
Key Partners - The importance of collaboration in marketing.
Brand Love - Creating deep consumer investment in a brand.
Human Anxiety/Angst - Emotions related to consumer needs, such as getting an oil change.
Clive (Take 5 Character) - A platform representing consumer mindset and human truths for Take 5 Oil Change.
Human Truths - Underlying emotions and motivations of consumers.
Fast Friendly Service - The service offering of Take 5 Oil Change.
Mindset of the Customer - Understanding the customer's perspective.
Non-Discretionary Problem - A problem that must be addressed, like an oil change.
Pragmatic Nature - The practical aspect of solving a problem.
Human Connection - Building relationships with customers.
Art and Science of Marketing - Blending creative and analytical approaches.
Challenger Brand - A brand that aims to disrupt the market.