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Strategic Pivots for Sustainable Business Growth

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TL;DR

  • The pay-per-show model's low cost-per-show relative to revenue-per-show poses a significant scaling risk, as margins will likely compress with increased volume and reduced efficiency.
  • Agencies serving small businesses risk high churn due to clients' own business volatility and lack of expertise, necessitating a strategic move upmarket to larger clients.
  • The pay-per-show model can lead to agencies expanding into sales or closing services, a temptation to avoid by focusing on higher-value clients with established sales teams.
  • Unexpected billing in the pay-per-show model is a primary driver of customer churn; proactive communication about accumulated costs mitigates this risk.
  • For local media companies, scaling revenue hinges on increasing CPMs and impressions, not just audience size, by charging more for quality audience access.
  • A self-liquidating offer on the thank-you page, such as a digital guide pack for $37, can effectively reduce subscriber acquisition costs to zero.
  • Businesses offering free recruitment services should implement a tiered "money model" for screened candidates, charging premium fees for top performers to significantly boost revenue.

Deep Dive

The core of this discussion is that business growth hinges on understanding and optimizing core operational models, not just scaling existing efforts. The implications are that businesses often hit plateaus due to flawed assumptions about their ideal customer, revenue models, or content distribution, requiring strategic pivots rather than incremental adjustments.

For a performance marketing agency charging per appointment, the primary risk identified is the low margin between the cost per show and revenue per show, which will compress significantly at scale. This necessitates moving upmarket to serve clients who can afford higher ad spends and value sophisticated marketing. Attempting to serve smaller clients with this model is akin to the blind leading the blind, as their own business acumen is also limited, leading to high churn. The advice is to focus on acquiring more data to refine the model and then aggressively pursue higher-tier clients, rather than expanding the current service offering into adjacent areas like closing sales.

A local newsletter company with a growing audience faces a supply constraint not of advertisers, but of ad space. The path to scaling to a million dollars involves increasing CPMs to reflect the quality and reach of their audience, rather than worrying about running out of businesses to advertise. The critical insight for subscriber acquisition is implementing a self-liquidating offer (SLO) on the thank-you page after sign-up. By offering a digital product bundle for a nominal fee (e.g., $37 for 10 guides), the cost of acquiring new subscribers can be reduced to zero, enabling scalable growth through paid advertising. Niching down is discouraged; instead, maximizing existing channels and content repurposing is advised.

For a business that helps remote high-ticket sales coaches with fulfillment, the bottleneck is the owner's sole involvement in all aspects of delivery, from job opportunities to coaching calls. The solution involves building a team to handle fulfillment, with two primary models: hiring full-time employees who see it as a learning opportunity but command higher costs and have a finite timeline, or engaging part-time coaches who are already successful sales reps seeking additional income and influence. A more innovative approach suggested is to leverage successful alumni as part-time coaches, capitalizing on existing training and relationships. Additionally, a "money model" is proposed where a tiered service offers screened, high-performing candidates for a fee, generating significant revenue beyond the free job postings.

A founder of an online coding bootcamp is plateauing due to insufficient marketing reach and a weak lead magnet. The current strategy relies too heavily on organic channels like a podcast with low suggestibility and LinkedIn, which are bottom-of-funnel. The implication is that without broader top-of-funnel awareness and a more compelling offer, growth will remain stagnant. The advice is to create higher-value, easily shareable content across platforms with high discoverability, particularly YouTube, and to offer a valuable free module of the course as a lead magnet to generate more qualified leads.

An event company owner, facing competitors with established reputations, must reframe competitive comparisons. Instead of positioning against the competitor's company, the founder should contrast their new business's motivated, personalized service against the likely disengaged, number-based approach of a larger competitor's employees. This "small dog" frame emphasizes the owner's dedication and personalized attention, which can be a significant advantage in securing trust and clients.

Deciding between a monthly subscription and a one-time payment comes down to a mathematical comparison of Earnings Per Click (EPC). The offer with the higher EPC, considering conversion rates, pricing, and churn (for subscriptions), is generally the more profitable model. However, cash flow is a critical consideration; a one-time payment provides immediate cash, while a subscription model requires patience for revenue to accrue. Testing both models and analyzing the EPC is the recommended approach.

A senior care day program faces a growth constraint due to illegal competitors offering kickbacks, but this is identified as an excuse rather than the root cause. The actual constraint is a lack of demand generation. The business has capacity and a strong federal funding model. The key implication is to prioritize marketing to referral sources (doctors, social workers) who can bring in a large volume of clients, treating them as affiliates. Strategies like in-person lunches are insufficient; integration into the referral source's existing flow or offering space rental can drive consistent, legitimate referrals.

The final takeaway is that sustainable business growth requires a deep understanding of operational efficiency, ideal client profiles, and effective marketing channels. Simply doing more of what isn't working, or attempting to scale without addressing fundamental model flaws, will lead to continued plateaus and missed opportunities. Strategic pivots, data-driven decisions, and a focus on high-retention models are crucial for achieving significant scale and building a valuable, sellable business.

Action Items

  • Audit sales process: Identify 3-5 key conversion points and implement A/B tests for offer variations (ref: money model).
  • Create client onboarding checklist: Define 5-7 critical steps to ensure consistent service delivery and reduce churn (ref: pay per show model).
  • Develop tiered service offering: Introduce premium options with higher margins and upsell potential for 3-5 core services.
  • Implement customer communication cadence: Establish weekly or bi-weekly updates on billing and service delivery to improve predictability.
  • Go upmarket: Target 3-5 larger clients with higher ad spend capacity to increase revenue per client.

Key Quotes

"The question was i mean i don't think you should cut your cash flow you have you only have like four customers right currently at five okay so you have five customers and that means that if you're doing 8 000 a month you said 8 000 top line and 7 000 bottom line but you said your cost of getting a show is 210 on 500 those margins don't make sense what am i missing"

Alex Hormozi is questioning the caller's financial model, specifically pointing out a discrepancy between their stated revenue, costs, and profit. Hormozi highlights that the cost per show ($210) relative to the revenue per show ($500) seems too low for the reported margins, indicating a potential misunderstanding or missing piece in the caller's financial calculation.


"dude i think everything's fine but the the the i'd say one risk that i see that's relatively significant is your cost per show relative to the revenue per show is kind of low i would say the guys who i see like really murder it are at like 20 so you're at like 60 uh or sorry 40 so i'd want to see if we could drive that down because my fear of the business is that when you take this to scale you'll be less efficient and your margins are going to compress"

Alex Hormozi identifies a significant risk in the caller's business model: the cost per show is too high relative to the revenue generated per show. Hormozi contrasts this with successful businesses that operate at a much lower cost per show (around 20%), expressing concern that scaling this business will lead to decreased efficiency and compressed profit margins.


"The next issue that you're going to run into is the types of businesses that you're serving so you're going to want to go up market for people who can spend 50 000 100 000 200 000 a month in ads that's that's what you're going to want to go after because the volatility of your business is going to be predicated on the volatility of their business"

Alex Hormozi advises the caller to target larger, higher-spending businesses rather than smaller ones. Hormozi explains that the volatility of the caller's business is directly linked to the volatility of their clients' businesses, and by serving clients who spend significantly more on ads, the caller can achieve greater stability and scale.


"The second piece to it and by the way don't do that go up market and say because people that are up market have their own sales team and they understand that concept that even though you get somebody a show it doesn't mean that they're guaranteed to close you still have trained sales people so do not give into the temptation don't try and serve an avatar that isn't best for you more that's the biggest mistake people make which is like you're serving an avatar that isn't your best avatar and you try to go above and beyond for it you just don't want to do that"

Leila Hormozi cautions against trying to serve clients who are not the ideal fit for the business. She advises the caller to focus on higher-market clients who have established sales teams and understand that a show does not guarantee a close, rather than trying to over-deliver for less suitable clients.


"The second piece is that with the paper show model here's the place where it goes wrong which i saw firsthand which is why agencies had churn with it which is that um customers want to be able to predict how much money they're going to spend with you so if you look at churn and you look at customer attention the customers who retain the most are the customers who understand how much they're going to pay"

Leila Hormozi explains a common pitfall in the pay-per-show model: clients desire predictability in their spending. She highlights that customer retention is highest when clients can accurately forecast their expenses, suggesting that unexpected bills can lead to a significant likelihood of client churn.


"The other piece that you want to consider here though is like you're sending a newsletter it's like are there other places you can like you have 70k on social it's like we can charge for posts we can charge for stories we can charge for youtube video integrations we can charge for news like i would rather you do all that stuff first before even considering the niche down for now"

Alex Hormozi suggests that the caller should explore multiple revenue streams beyond their current newsletter advertising. Hormozi recommends leveraging their social media presence to charge for posts, stories, and video integrations, prioritizing these opportunities before considering niching down their business.


"The biggest mistake people make which is like you're serving an avatar that isn't your best avatar and you try to go above and beyond for it you just don't want to do that"

Leila Hormozi identifies a common error where businesses try to cater to clients who are not their ideal customer. She emphasizes that going above and beyond for a suboptimal client is often counterproductive and advises against serving an avatar that is not the best fit for the business.


"The first thing that you should try and get off your plate is the questions um because if you can bring somebody on and you can train them on answering the questions in the group that's like a it's almost like they're onboarding to then take over calls from you"

Alex Hormozi advises the caller to delegate the task of answering client questions. Hormozi suggests that by training someone to handle these inquiries, it serves as an onboarding process for that individual to eventually take over coaching calls, freeing up the caller's time.


"There's two different models that you can think of when you think of a coaching business like this and i think this goes for like any coaching business in existence which so i've talked to so many and i've helped structure multiple teams like this like there's really two models that work and there's tradeoffs in each one meaning like you kind of just want to pick your problems"

Leila Hormozi outlines two primary operational models for coaching businesses, emphasizing that each model has its own set of challenges. She advises that the choice between these models depends on which set of problems the business owner is most willing to manage.


"The nice thing with the partial model that layla just outlined is that one you're you're placing all these sales people right now and you already have a history of placing a lot of sales people already right and they already went through your training and whatnot and so i would say take your successful alumni and say hey want to make an extra five grand a month and give back to the community that you came from many of those guys will probably say sure i'd happily do it"

Alex Hormozi suggests leveraging successful alumni of the caller's program to fill fulfillment roles. Hormozi proposes offering these former clients

Resources

External Resources

Books

  • "Money Models" by Alex Hormozi - Mentioned as a resource for understanding business models and revenue.

Articles & Papers

  • "The Game with Alex Hormozi" (Podcast) - Mentioned as the platform where the episode is hosted.

People

  • Alex Hormozi - Host of "The Game with Alex Hormozi" podcast, author, speaker, and entrepreneur.
  • Leila Hormozi - Guest on "The Game with Alex Hormozi" podcast, referred to as "Queen Lay."
  • Joshua - Caller, runs a performance-based marketing agency called SNPS.
  • Jazz - Caller, runs Winnipeg Digest, a local newsletter media company.
  • Brian - Caller, runs Coderly.io, an online coding boot camp.
  • George - Caller, owns a brick-and-mortar pest control company.
  • Paul - Caller, runs a marketing agency for martial arts schools.
  • Devin - Caller, has a small YouTube channel focused on hunting, fishing, and outdoors.
  • Dan - Caller, runs a center for seniors and the disabled, a day program.

Organizations & Institutions

  • SNPS - Performance-based marketing agency run by Joshua.
  • Winnipeg Digest - Local newsletter media company run by Jazz.
  • Coderly.io - Online coding boot camp for adults run by Brian.
  • NFL (National Football League) - Mentioned in relation to sports analytics.
  • Pro Football Focus (PFF) - Mentioned as a data source for player grading.
  • New England Patriots - Mentioned as an example team for performance analysis.

Websites & Online Resources

  • Acquisition.com - Website associated with Alex Hormozi, mentioned for scaling businesses.
  • LinkedIn - Social media platform used for content sharing and business networking.
  • Instagram - Social media platform.
  • Facebook - Social media platform.
  • YouTube - Video-sharing platform used for content creation and audience growth.
  • Twitter - Social media platform.
  • X (formerly Twitter) - Social media platform.

Other Resources

  • Pay-per-show model - Discussed as a business model for marketing agencies.
  • Self-liquidating offer (SLO) - A marketing strategy where an offer on a thank-you page covers the cost of customer acquisition.
  • Money Model - A concept discussed for structuring business revenue.
  • Lead Magnet - A free offer used to attract potential customers.
  • Career Coaching - Discussed in the context of helping sales coaches' clients find jobs.
  • Bundling Services - A strategy used in offers, discussed in the context of pest control services.
  • Affiliate Marketing - A strategy where businesses refer customers for a commission.
  • Federal Funding Program - Mentioned in relation to a senior and disabled day program.

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