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A Unified Mathematical Theory of Intelligence

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TL;DR

  • Large language models primarily memorize existing text rather than truly understanding it, processing human knowledge as raw signals for statistical pattern extraction.
  • Current 3D reconstruction techniques like Sora and NeRFs fail at basic spatial reasoning, highlighting a significant gap between visual data processing and genuine comprehension.
  • Adding noise to data is crucial for discovering underlying structure, analogous to how Rome's historical road network facilitated connection and exploration.
  • Natural optimization landscapes are surprisingly smooth, a "blessing of dimensionality" that explains why gradient descent effectively navigates complex deep learning training.
  • Transformer architectures can be mathematically derived from compression principles, suggesting that core AI designs can emerge from fundamental mathematical foundations.
  • Intelligence involves discovering predictable patterns through compression and ensuring consistency, a process applicable across various stages from biological evolution to scientific discovery.
  • Continuous learning is enabled by a self-consistent feedback loop where predictions are constantly compared to observations, correcting errors locally to refine internal models.

Deep Dive

Professor Yi Ma proposes a unified mathematical theory of intelligence grounded in two core principles: parsimony and self-consistency. This framework challenges common misconceptions about AI understanding, particularly within large language models (LLMs). Ma argues that current LLMs, despite their impressive capabilities, primarily engage in sophisticated memorization rather than true abstraction or understanding. This distinction is crucial because it highlights the limitations of current AI systems and points toward the necessary advancements for achieving genuine intelligence.

The implications of this perspective are far-reaching. If LLMs are essentially advanced memorization engines, their ability to generalize to novel situations or engage in deep abstract reasoning is inherently constrained. This suggests that applications relying on true understanding, such as complex problem-solving or scientific discovery, may not be fully realized by current architectures. Ma’s theory posits that true intelligence, at least at the level common to animals and humans, involves discovering and encoding predictable structures in the world. This process is fundamentally about compression--finding the simplest representation of data--and ensuring consistency within that representation. The "and then what?" here is that the current focus on scaling LLMs may not automatically lead to deeper understanding; instead, a paradigm shift towards abstraction and consistency is required.

Ma further elaborates on the limitations of current 3D reconstruction techniques, such as Sora and NeRFs. While these models can generate visually impressive 3D scenes or videos, they fail at basic spatial reasoning, underscoring that recreating data is not equivalent to understanding its underlying structure or relationships. This is analogous to how evolution itself is a form of compression, encoding learned knowledge about the world into DNA, albeit through a resource-intensive and unpredictable process. Similarly, current AI models, through empirical trial and error, are learning to compress data, but this does not equate to the abstract reasoning that underpins scientific thought, such as the concept of infinity or Euclidean geometry, which emerged far beyond direct empirical observation.

The practical consequence for AI development is the need to move beyond simply processing existing knowledge (text, images) and towards developing mechanisms that can generate new knowledge. This involves not just compression but also abstraction, a process that allows for conjecture and the derivation of principles that transcend empirical data. Ma's work on "crate" architectures, derived from first principles, aims to build models that explicitly embody these concepts. These principled architectures not only simplify current models but also reveal that components like convolution and self-attention can arise from fundamental assumptions about data compression and desired invariances, rather than being arbitrary empirical choices. Ultimately, this research suggests that future AI systems will need to embrace these foundational principles to achieve true, generalizable intelligence, moving beyond mere pattern recognition and memorization.

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"in the past 10 years i think the question about the intelligence or artificial intelligence has captured people's imagination i'm one of them but it took me about 10 years to try to really understand can we actually make understanding intelligence a truly scientific or mathematical problem to formalize it you'll probably get some of my opinion and also the facts about it and it will probably change your view of what intelligence is which is also a very self searching process for me"

Professor Yi Ma explains his decade-long journey to formalize the concept of intelligence as a scientific and mathematical problem. He suggests that a deeper understanding of intelligence, moving beyond current perceptions, is achievable through this rigorous approach.

"those principles are parsimony and self consistency so it's it's an ambitious idea that these principles could explain natural and artificial intelligence what do you mean by that intelligence artificial or natural or whatever adjectives you add to intelligence we have to be very specific it's a very loaded word right i mean even intelligence itself may have different levels different stages right so it's high time we clarify that concept scientifically and mathematically right then we can talk about study intelligence the mechanism behind it at each level there's some more unified principle behind even different stages of intelligence there's something in common they're also things that are different so it's high time we do that"

Professor Ma introduces his book's core principles, parsimony and self-consistency, as foundational to both natural and artificial intelligence. He stresses the need for a precise, scientific definition of intelligence, acknowledging its complexity and varying levels.

"the mechanism we have implemented the because behind all the large models deep networks and the large models are truly are and the true natures and hence understand their limitations and also what it takes to truly build a system that has intelligent behaviors or capabilities i think we have reached a point right we'll be able to address what's next for understanding even more advanced form of intelligence what's the difference between compression and abstraction difference between memorization and understanding i think for a future those are the big open problems for all of us to study"

Professor Ma posits that understanding the underlying mechanisms of current AI models, like deep networks and large language models, is crucial for recognizing their limitations. He identifies the distinctions between compression and abstraction, and memorization and understanding, as key challenges for future AI research.

"so in the sense that you can make the analogy right i think to the people you know students ask me at which stage are artificial intelligence is at today then there is already a analogy in nature right we are very much at the early stage of the life form right and so hence that is a compression process that's a process that also gain knowledge about the world but of course later on we develop individual animals developed the brain developed you know neural systems develop senses including visual and touch as well so we actually you start to use very very different mechanism to learn to compress our observations to learn knowledge and to build memories of our world and even individuals start to have that ability rather than just inherit knowledge from their dnas so that's a different stages about and then that part of the knowledge is not no longer encoded in our genetics in our genes but also in our brains and that's actually a level of intelligence we talk about most of the time these days you know which is common to animals which is common to to humans"

Professor Ma draws an analogy between the current stage of artificial intelligence and early life forms, both characterized by a compression process that gains knowledge about the world. He distinguishes this from later stages of intelligence, like those found in animals and humans, which involve more complex mechanisms for learning and memory encoded in brains rather than just genetics.

"many people says what all this language model is doing to the language which is by the way it's very different don't forget our language is a result of compression it's the our language is precisely the code we learned to represent the knowledge we learned through our physical senses about external world through billions of years of evolution or billions of years of as our brain our brain evolved right it's a result of that our knowledge is that that actually represents knowledge and hence the language is natural text we use language to encode our knowledge common to all people now we're using another model another compression process to memorize it in the sense that that mechanism you can argue that mechanism what those large language model is doing are further treat those text as raw signals to further through compression to identify their statistical structures internal structures what is doing is actually not very clear it may be just help us to memorize and the text as they are and regenerate them right and it's not going through a process just like how we acquire our that how our natural language was developed is through a very long and our language are actually grounded with our physical senses our world models as we know as memory right our language is precisely try to describe that it's abstraction of that world model we have in our brain"

Professor Ma clarifies that human language is a form of compression representing knowledge gained through physical senses and evolution. He questions whether large language models, by reprocessing text, are truly understanding or merely memorizing and regenerating it, suggesting their process differs fundamentally from how natural language was developed and grounded in our physical world models.

Resources

External Resources

Books

  • "Learning Deep Representations of Data Distributions" by Professor Yi Ma - Mentioned as the author's groundbreaking new book proposing a unified mathematical theory of intelligence.
  • "A Brief History of Intelligence" by Max Bennett - Mentioned in relation to the idea that language is a set of pointers and the sharing of simulations.
  • "Cybernetics" by Norbert Wiener - Mentioned as a foundational text discussing the characteristics of intelligent systems at the animal and common human level.
  • "3-D Vision book" by Yi Ma - Mentioned as a book by Professor Yi Ma.

Articles & Papers

  • "eyes wide shut" (Study) - Mentioned as a test conducted with Yann LeCun to assess spatial reasoning in large multi-modal models.

People

  • Professor Yi Ma - World-renowned expert in deep learning, IEEE/ACM Fellow, author of "Learning Deep Representations of Data Distributions," and director of the School of Computing and Data Science at Hong Kong University.
  • Yann LeCun - Mentioned in relation to a spatial reasoning test conducted with Professor Yi Ma.
  • Max Bennett - Author of "A Brief History of Intelligence," mentioned for his ideas on language and simulations.
  • Norbert Wiener - Pioneer in cybernetics, author of "Cybernetics," mentioned for his work on intelligent systems and feedback loops.
  • Kevin Murphy - Mentioned as someone who reviewed Professor Yi Ma's book and posed a question about code reduction.
  • Lucas Bayer - Inventor of Vision Transformer (ViT), interviewed in relation to ViT and its comparison with Crate architectures.
  • Ishan Mishra - Mentioned in relation to non-contrastive self-supervised learning.

Organizations & Institutions

  • Hong Kong University - Institution where Professor Yi Ma is the inaugural director of the School of Computing and Data Science.
  • UC Berkeley - Institution where Professor Yi Ma is a visiting professor.
  • IEEE - Professional organization of which Professor Yi Ma is a Fellow.
  • ACM - Professional organization of which Professor Yi Ma is a Fellow.
  • SIAM - Professional organization of which Professor Yi Ma is a Fellow.
  • OpenAI - Organization mentioned for its continued use of Transformer architectures.
  • Meta - Organization mentioned for its efforts with the DINO model and simplified DINO versions.
  • Google - Organization mentioned in relation to simplified DINO models.

Websites & Online Resources

  • https://www.prolific.com/?utm_source=mlst - Website for Prolific, mentioned as a sponsor for quality data.
  • https://cyber.fund/?utm_source=mlst - Website for cyber•Fund, mentioned as a sponsor for investment in the cybernetic economy.
  • https://talent.cyber.fund/companies/cyber-fund-2/jobs/57674170-ai-investment-principal#content?utm_source=mlst - Job posting for AI Investment Principal at cyber•Fund.
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  • https://app.rescript.info/public/share/Z-dMPiUhXaeMEcdeU6Bz84GOVsvdcfxU_8Ptu6CTKMQ - Link to an interactive AI transcript player with references (ReScript).
  • https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~yima/ - Personal website for Professor Yi Ma at UC Berkeley.
  • https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=XqLiBQMAAAAJ&hl=en - Google Scholar profile for Professor Yi Ma.
  • https://x.com/YiMaTweets - Professor Yi Ma's X (formerly Twitter) account.
  • https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/sbhbyievw7idup8j06mlr/slides.pdf?rlkey=7ptovemezo8bj8tkhfi393fh9&dl=0 - Link to slides from the conversation with Professor Yi Ma.
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT-F0xSNSjo - YouTube link to Professor Ma's talk "Pursuing the Nature of Intelligence" (ICLR).
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TihaCUjyRLM - YouTube link to an earlier talk by Professor Ma at Berkeley.
  • https://ma-lab-berkeley.github.io/deep-representation-learning-book/ - Website for the book "Learning Deep Representations of Data Distributions."
  • https://www.amazon.co.uk/BRIEF-HISTORY-INTELLIGEN-HB-Evolution/dp/0008560099 - Amazon link for the book "A Brief History of Intelligence."
  • https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262730099/cybernetics/ - MIT Press link for the book "Cybernetics."
  • https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-0-387-21779-6 - Springer link for Professor Ma's "3-D Vision book."
  • https://duo.com/ - Website for Cisco Duo, mentioned for phishing resistance.
  • https://www.americanexpress.com/businessgold - Website for American Express Business Gold card.
  • https://plants.com/ - Website for Plants.com, mentioned for home design consultations.
  • https://uniswap.org/ - Website for Uniswap, mentioned for its wallet and trading protocol.

Other Resources

  • Parsimony - Mentioned as one of the two core principles (along with self-consistency) forming Professor Ma's unified mathematical theory of intelligence.
  • Self-consistency - Mentioned as one of the two core principles (along with parsimony) forming Professor Ma's unified mathematical theory of intelligence.
  • LLMs Don't Understand--They Memorize - Key insight from the conversation, suggesting language models primarily memorize rather than truly understand.
  • The Illusion of 3D Vision - Key insight, noting that 3D reconstruction models still fail at basic spatial reasoning.
  • "All Roads Lead to Rome" - Phrase used to explain the role of noise in discovering structure, analogous to diffusion processes.
  • Why Gradient Descent Actually Works - Topic discussed, suggesting natural optimization landscapes are surprisingly smooth.
  • Transformers from First Principles - Topic discussed, indicating Transformer architectures can be mathematically derived from compression principles.
  • Linear Discriminative Representation (LDR) - Concept mentioned in relation to inductive priors and modeling regularities.
  • Coding Rate Reduction - Methodology discussed, related to compression and understanding data distributions.
  • Implicit Biases - Concept discussed in relation to deep learning models and their regularization.
  • Vision Transformer (ViT) - Architecture mentioned as a benchmark, with comparisons to Crate.
  • DINO - Pre-trained visual representation model from Meta, discussed for its effectiveness and potential simplification.
  • Simplified DINO - Simplified versions of the DINO model developed by Professor Ma's group.
  • Crate architectures - White-box Transformer architectures derived from first principles, developed by Professor Ma's group.
  • Mixture of Experts (MoE) - Architecture discussed as reflecting clustering and classification of dissimilar elements.
  • ResNet - Architecture discussed as reflecting iterative optimization.
  • Mamba - Architecture mentioned as an example of linear time complexity in attention mechanisms.
  • RWKV - Architecture mentioned as an example of linear time complexity in attention mechanisms.
  • Lottery Ticket Hypothesis - Concept discussed in relation to finding effective sub-networks within larger models.
  • Lora - Technique mentioned for post-processing large models.
  • Non-contrastive self-supervised learning - Learning paradigm discussed.
  • Unsupervised learning - Learning paradigm discussed.
  • Token prediction - Method of prediction discussed, particularly in relation to images.
  • Percolation - Phenomenon used to explain phase transitions and the connection of data points.
  • Blessing of Dimensionality - Concept suggesting higher dimensions can aid optimization.
  • Least Action Principle - Principle in physics mentioned as analogous to parsimony.
  • Double Descent - Phenomenon observed in deep learning models.
  • Autolas/AutoML - Areas of research focused on automated architecture search.
  • Continual Learning - Problem domain discussed in relation to self-consistency and closed-loop learning.
  • Lifelong Learning - Concept discussed as a mechanism of intelligence.
  • General Intelligence - Concept discussed in relation to the mechanism of intelligence rather than accumulated knowledge.
  • Falsifiability - Characteristic of scientific theories mentioned.
  • Inductive Bias - Concept discussed as initial assumptions in theory building.
  • Deduction - Process of deriving conclusions from assumptions.
  • First Principles - Approach to theory building starting with minimal assumptions.
  • Symmetry - Property discussed in relation to inductive biases and architecture design (e.g., translation invariance leading to convolution).
  • Lossy Coding - Technique mentioned as necessary for differentiating models and measuring data volume.
  • Diffusion models - Popular models discussed in relation to adding noise.
  • Spatial Reasoning - Cognitive ability tested in large multi-modal models.
  • Object Recognition - Task where translation invariance is a relevant inductive bias.
  • Convolution - Architecture naturally derived from compression and translation invariance.
  • Autoregressive models - Models discussed in relation to prediction.
  • Gradient Descent - Optimization algorithm discussed in relation to benign landscapes.
  • Power Iteration - Algorithm mentioned as an example of dimensionality-independent convergence.
  • PCA (Principal Component Analysis) - Method related to dimensionality reduction.
  • Entropy - Measure of information, discussed in relation to its limitations.
  • Information Theory - Field of study related to data compression and communication.
  • Control Theory - Field of study, Professor Ma's initial training.
  • Random Processing - Technique related to information theory.
  • Game Theory - Mentioned in relation to Norbert Wiener's work.
  • Non-linearity - Characteristic of brain function discussed by Wiener.
  • Sparse Representation - Area of Professor Ma's previous work.
  • Low Rank Structures - Area of Professor Ma's previous work.
  • Orthogonal Subspaces - Geometric concept related to optimization solutions.
  • Empirical Knowledge - Knowledge gained through observation and trial-and-error.
  • Scientific Knowledge - Knowledge gained through formalization and deduction.
  • Platonism - Philosophical stance suggesting abstract ideas exist independently.
  • Nativism - Philosophical stance suggesting innate knowledge.
  • Deductive Tree - Concept of a structured representation of all conceivable knowledge.
  • ARC Challenge - Benchmark for abstract compositional reasoning.
  • Turing Machine - Theoretical model of computation.
  • P vs. NP problem - Computational complexity problem.
  • Euclid's Geometry - Mathematical system mentioned for its abstract formulation.
  • Karl Popper - Philosopher of science, known for the idea of fals

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